Hackers claim break-in to Palin's e-mail account

[pftp]

According tp ptfp: "I can assure you that it (Wasilla, AK) is just a place where people like you or me live now."

Sorry ptfp,
It's nothing like where I live! It's probably nothing like where the majority of Americans live.

Logan,

The tonality of your phrasing makes it sound as though you are claiming that it is some type of horrible place. Upon what life experience or knowledge are you basing this opionion when you state... It's nothing like where I live! It's probably nothing like where the majority of Americans live.[/ Once again you, as with so many of your comments, sound so matter of fact. Have you ever been there?

The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers.

In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team.

Officials with the Office of Children's Services in Wasilla said the problem affects children. The office receives about 40 calls a month from people reporting abuse or neglect involving some aspect of the highly addictive drug

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/030 ... 8002.shtml

Sorry, pftp, my neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads. Is yours? Do the majority of Americans live in their states' meth capitals? You sound so matter-of-fact, after all, in you claim that Wasilla is just like where people like "you or me live now". By that fact alone, you are incorrect.

Karmagirl,

I grew up in Alaska and I can tell you first hand that Wasilla is like anywhere USA, except 10 times more beautiful. The people are awesome and the scenery is WORLD CLASS. How do you know that your neighborhood isn't full of meth heads? It is a horrible, vile drug that crosses all boundaries. Are you suggesting that all 60,000 that live in the Mat-Su Valley are meth heads? Methamphetamines afflict many rural areas. Is that Sarah Palins fault? Also, methamphetamines do not define all of the the people who live there. It's crazy that you are even trying to associate her with such a vile drug.

I didn't. READ my quote. It doesn't say anything about Palin. Apology accepted.

o.k. then so what is your point? To all of a sudden blog about the Matinuska Susitna Valley a place that you know absolutely nothing about? You weren't trying to associate Wasilla (and with it Palin) with white trash meth heads.......sorry Karma Girl. I know that you weren't trying to do that and I am sorry. But it''s your own karma that you have to deal with.

You really need me to repeat what you re-quoted?

Ok, you said Wasilla is just like where "you and I live now".

I said, no, because it's the meth capital of Alaska. I do not live in the meth capital of Colorado.

You said - Why are you associating Palin with meth?

me - I didn't.

Got it? Wasilla may be a naturally beautiful place, I know most of Alaska is. But it has way too many problems with really bad drugs, debt, and unemployment to remind me too much of where I live. So what karma, exactly, do I have to deal with for stating the truth, no matter how ugly it is?

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

[rduke]

The bigger question here is why is Sarah Palin using Yahoo instead of the official state of Alaska system?

Karl Rove used web mail to try to hide illegal campaign activities.

I looks like Sarah is fast learner, you have to give her that, but what is Sarah trying to hide?

[logan9]

Wasilla, AK is 85% Caucasian!

Where I currently live - and where I have previously lived - are far more ethinically diverse than Wasilla.

Gov. Palin was a choice to 'lock-in' those social conservative voters, and appeal to the right to life people. Will it work? Probably so. Will the GOP win in NOV? Probably no!

[karmagirl]

According tp ptfp: "I can assure you that it (Wasilla, AK) is just a place where people like you or me live now."

Sorry ptfp,
It's nothing like where I live! It's probably nothing like where the majority of Americans live.

Logan,

The tonality of your phrasing makes it sound as though you are claiming that it is some type of horrible place. Upon what life experience or knowledge are you basing this opionion when you state... It's nothing like where I live! It's probably nothing like where the majority of Americans live.[/ Once again you, as with so many of your comments, sound so matter of fact. Have you ever been there?

The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers.

In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team.

Officials with the Office of Children's Services in Wasilla said the problem affects children. The office receives about 40 calls a month from people reporting abuse or neglect involving some aspect of the highly addictive drug

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/030 ... 8002.shtml

Sorry, pftp, my neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads. Is yours? Do the majority of Americans live in their states' meth capitals? You sound so matter-of-fact, after all, in you claim that Wasilla is just like where people like "you or me live now". By that fact alone, you are incorrect.

Karmagirl,

I grew up in Alaska and I can tell you first hand that Wasilla is like anywhere USA, except 10 times more beautiful. The people are awesome and the scenery is WORLD CLASS. How do you know that your neighborhood isn't full of meth heads? It is a horrible, vile drug that crosses all boundaries. Are you suggesting that all 60,000 that live in the Mat-Su Valley are meth heads? Methamphetamines afflict many rural areas. Is that Sarah Palins fault? Also, methamphetamines do not define all of the the people who live there. It's crazy that you are even trying to associate her with such a vile drug.

I didn't. READ my quote. It doesn't say anything about Palin. Apology accepted.

o.k. then so what is your point? To all of a sudden blog about the Matinuska Susitna Valley a place that you know absolutely nothing about? You weren't trying to associate Wasilla (and with it Palin) with white trash meth heads.......sorry Karma Girl. I know that you weren't trying to do that and I am sorry. But it''s your own karma that you have to deal with.

You really need me to repeat what you re-quoted?

Ok, you said Wasilla is just like where "you and I live now".

I said, no, because it's the meth capital of Alaska. I do not live in the meth capital of Colorado.

You said - Why are you associating Palin with meth?

me - I didn't.

Got it? Wasilla may be a naturally beautiful place, I know most of Alaska is. But it has way too many problems with really bad drugs, debt, and unemployment to remind me too much of where I live. So what karma, exactly, do I have to deal with for stating the truth, no matter how ugly it is?

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

It's your choice not to debate with me, but me correcting your assumptions does not make me small minded or not well informed. It just makes me honest. I guess we'll leave it at that. Next time perhaps you won't try to assume so much about us all.

[karmagirl]

Wasilla, AK is 85% Caucasian!

Where I currently live - and where I have previously lived - are far more ethinically diverse than Wasilla.

Gov. Palin was a choice to 'lock-in' those social conservative voters, and appeal to the right to life people. Will it work? Probably so. Will the GOP win in NOV? Probably no!

Don't tell pftp there's yet another reason that makes where people like you and I live very different from Wasilla. He's already admitted he won't listen to facts. His mind is already made up and if you tell him differently he'll just stop debating with you and accuse you of being close-minded. Because, you know, not listening to facts is so open-minded. It's a great tactic, really.

[pftp]

Wasilla, AK is 85% Caucasian!

Where I currently live - and where I have previously lived - are far more ethinically diverse than Wasilla.

Gov. Palin was a choice to 'lock-in' those social conservative voters, and appeal to the right to life people. Will it work? Probably so. Will the GOP win in NOV? Probably no!

Don't tell pftp there's yet another reason that makes where people like you and I live very different from Wasilla. He's already admitted he won't listen to facts. His mind is already made up and if you tell him differently he'll just stop debating with you and accuse you of being close-minded. Because, you know, not listening to facts is so open-minded. It's a great tactic, really.

You lost me when you said that Wasilla was a "neighborhood full of meth heads" and then went on to talk about how poor that the Alaskan economy is when they are one of the only, if not the only, working with a budget that has a massive surplus. I am just saying that you are talking about things that you know nothing about. My friends are telling me that the Alaskan economy is booming right now. As far as being open minded...open minded about what? an inane conversation about nothing? We're just talking about meth use in the Matinuska Valley but we aren't talking about Sarah Palin when we are talking about it on a post about Sarah Palin. **?

[karmagirl]

Wasilla, AK is 85% Caucasian!

Where I currently live - and where I have previously lived - are far more ethinically diverse than Wasilla.

Gov. Palin was a choice to 'lock-in' those social conservative voters, and appeal to the right to life people. Will it work? Probably so. Will the GOP win in NOV? Probably no!

Don't tell pftp there's yet another reason that makes where people like you and I live very different from Wasilla. He's already admitted he won't listen to facts. His mind is already made up and if you tell him differently he'll just stop debating with you and accuse you of being close-minded. Because, you know, not listening to facts is so open-minded. It's a great tactic, really.

You lost me when you said that Wasilla was a "neighborhood full of meth heads" and then went on to talk about how poor that the Alaskan economy is when they are one of the only, if not the only, working with a budget that has a massive surplus. I am just saying that you are talking about things that you know nothing about. My friends are telling me that the Alaskan economy is booming right now. As far as being open minded...open minded about what? an inane conversation about nothing? We're just talking about meth use in the Matinuska Valley but we aren't talking about Sarah Palin when we are talking about it on a post about Sarah Palin. Love ya'!?

I never said Wasilla is a "neighborhood full of meth heads". Why do you keep misquoting me? Let me repost, yet again, what I had originally posted -

"The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers."

This area includes Wasilla, and this is coming from the AST, not me. I said that MY neighborhood was not full of meth-heads.

Yes, ALASKA has a surplus (I never said they didn't), but we're not talking about the state. Just the area around Wasilla, which Palin did leave far in debt, if you really want to bring her into it. I don't have to live there to know what I'm talking about. I read and educate myself.

And again, YOU are the one that starting getting off topic by talking about how everyone lives in a place just like Wasilla, I didn't. So don't try to pin that one on me.

Open minded about what? You tell me. You're the one that accused me of being close minded for proving how I don't live in an area just like Wasilla as you claimed. As I said, I don't see how telling the truth makes me close minded. You'll have to explain that one a bit if you want more of an answer.

[Milehigh_7]

This is to Obama what Watergate was to Nixon. The one who hacked the account is the son of a Dem representative. I hope there is jail time and a withdrawal by Obama from the race. He is just as culpable as Nixon was.

[Rodentia]

The bigger question here is why is Sarah Palin using Yahoo instead of the official state of Alaska system?

Precisely!

[Rodentia]

According tp ptfp: "I can assure you that it (Wasilla, AK) is just a place where people like you or me live now."

[noise content deleted]

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

Boy, talk about pompous and self-deluded backslapping, can you get any more self-congratulatory?

So wonder-boy of growth, knowledge, and respect that you are, you go and accuse someone of being small-minded because they turned one of your platitudes inside-out and showed it for the empty piece of servile nonsense that it is.

You asserted how Wasilla is just the same as where we all live, Tasha pulled that claim's ears down and elegantly showed why it was nothing like where most of us live.

It was a simplistic and rather stupid claim, and added nothing to the discussion, and defending it is even less useful and more stupid.
Find something to argue that is actually relevant and try a bit harder to say something interesting.

[pftp]

According tp ptfp: "I can assure you that it (Wasilla, AK) is just a place where people like you or me live now."

[noise content deleted]

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

Boy, talk about pompous and self-deluded backslapping, can you get any more self-congratulatory?

So wonder-boy of growth, knowledge, and respect that you are, you go and accuse someone of being small-minded because they turned one of your platitudes inside-out and showed it for the empty piece of servile nonsense that it is.

You asserted how Wasilla is just the same as where we all live, Tasha pulled that claim's ears down and elegantly showed why it was nothing like where most of us live.

It was a simplistic and rather stupid claim, and added nothing to the discussion, and defending it is even less useful and more stupid.
Find something to argue that is actually relevant and try a bit harder to say something interesting.

Rodentia,

You don't know me and I don't know you. I gave you the credence of your point of view and accepted them. Of all the people commenting on what Wasilla is like, I know. I grew up in Anchorage, about 40 minutes south of Wasilla. Taking statistics off of this website or that website is never a true and accurate description of a place. So lets's say that .005% of a population uses methamphetamines but that is the highest percentage in the state, or any state, and somebody calls it the methamphetamine capital of Alaska or any state. Let's say that since you grew up in Alaska, or any state, that although there are Methampetamines there (as there are in any cross section of society) it does not define the area. My question to you is, as I grew up there (I know it very well), wouldn't you try to protect your hometown, or a place near your home town that you knew very well?

With respect to your "precisely" remark about Palin's use of her Yahoo account. I seem to recall conceding that point to you that it was extremely naive for her to do so. What do you want me to do, grovel? I still hope that young man serves serious time and that his father pays for it politically. Because there is no doubt that it was politcally motivated.

[pftp]

Wasilla, AK is 85% Caucasian!

Where I currently live - and where I have previously lived - are far more ethinically diverse than Wasilla.

Gov. Palin was a choice to 'lock-in' those social conservative voters, and appeal to the right to life people. Will it work? Probably so. Will the GOP win in NOV? Probably no!

Don't tell pftp there's yet another reason that makes where people like you and I live very different from Wasilla. He's already admitted he won't listen to facts. His mind is already made up and if you tell him differently he'll just stop debating with you and accuse you of being close-minded. Because, you know, not listening to facts is so open-minded. It's a great tactic, really.

You lost me when you said that Wasilla was a "neighborhood full of meth heads" and then went on to talk about how poor that the Alaskan economy is when they are one of the only, if not the only, working with a budget that has a massive surplus. I am just saying that you are talking about things that you know nothing about. My friends are telling me that the Alaskan economy is booming right now. As far as being open minded...open minded about what? an inane conversation about nothing? We're just talking about meth use in the Matinuska Valley but we aren't talking about Sarah Palin when we are talking about it on a post about Sarah Palin. Love ya'!?

I never said Wasilla is a "neighborhood full of meth heads". Why do you keep misquoting me? Let me repost, yet again, what I had originally posted -

"The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers."

This area includes Wasilla, and this is coming from the AST, not me. I said that MY neighborhood was not full of meth-heads.

Yes, ALASKA has a surplus (I never said they didn't), but we're not talking about the state. Just the area around Wasilla, which Palin did leave far in debt, if you really want to bring her into it. I don't have to live there to know what I'm talking about. I read and educate myself.

And again, YOU are the one that starting getting off topic by talking about how everyone lives in a place just like Wasilla, I didn't. So don't try to pin that one on me.

Open minded about what? You tell me. You're the one that accused me of being close minded for proving how I don't live in an area just like Wasilla as you claimed. As I said, I don't see how telling the truth makes me close minded. You'll have to explain that one a bit if you want more of an answer.

You said...Sorry, pftp, my neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads. Is yours? Do the majority of Americans live in their states' meth capitals? You sound so matter-of-fact, after all, in you claim that Wasilla is just like where people like "you or me live now". By that fact alone, you are incorrect. Because we were talking about Wasilla Alaska and how it is very similar to "anywhere U.S.A. your comment about ....Sorry, pftp, My neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads implies that you believe that Wasilla is full of Meth-heads. If not, then what are you talking about? Read 3 or 4 blogs above where yous I never said Wasilla is a "neighborhood full of meth heads". Why do you keep misquoting me?

Just enlighten me on what you are trying to say? Neighborhood of meth-heads? no neighborhood of meth-heads? what? Have you ever been there? what are you exactly talking about? You aren't associating Palin with livng in neighborhood of meth-heads, yet you implied that her neighborhood being full of meth-heads (by saying that it is different because your neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads and that is why it is different), but you really didn't say that it was a neighborhood full of meth-heads...but the blogs above say that you said otherwise...and, more mportantly, why do you keep talking about meth with relation to Wasilla, Alaska? What is your purpose, to embarass or in some way link Palin to it? You said no, but you keep talking about it. For some reason on a blog about Sarah Palin, you bring up the fact that the Matinuska Valley is the meth capital of Alasksa for no reason at all....Not to mention that Wasilla is only a small portion of the Valley....Think about it.

[Rodentia]

Pftp said

You don't know me and I don't know you

I rather fancy that this was Tasha’s point, you don’t know any of us enough to be making comments about whether Wasilla is anything like where we live.

With respect to your "precisely" remark about Palin's use of her Yahoo account. I seem to recall conceding that point to you that it was extremely naive for her to do so. What do you want me to do, grovel?

Well grovelling would be amusing, but not required.
I replied to rduke and indicated that I agreed with him, that’s all, your response to that is not obligatory.

My question to you is, as I grew up there (I know it very well), wouldn't you try to protect your hometown, or a place near your home town that you knew very well?

Well you grew up 40 minutes away apparently, and no I wouldn’t “protect my hometown”.

I would correct somebody if they were factually wrong about it and if the error was (a) relevant, and (b) important.
Other than that, I don’t greatly care what they think or feel or say about my hometown.
Do you notice a trend in your behaviour in which you leap to the defence of all kinds of things?

I still hope that young man serves serious time and that his father pays for it politically. Because there is no doubt that it was politcally motivated.

Indeed you do, and it demonstrates yet again how you view this strictly in terms of party-political gamesmanship.
Would it have been more satisfactory to you had the intention been criminal or had been the work of a hostile foreign intelligence organisation instead?

[pftp]

Pftp said

You don't know me and I don't know you

I rather fancy that this was Tasha’s point, you don’t know any of us enough to be making comments about whether Wasilla is anything like where we live.

With respect to your "precisely" remark about Palin's use of her Yahoo account. I seem to recall conceding that point to you that it was extremely naive for her to do so. What do you want me to do, grovel?

Well grovelling would be amusing, but not required.
I replied to rduke and indicated that I agreed with him, that’s all, your response to that is not obligatory.

My question to you is, as I grew up there (I know it very well), wouldn't you try to protect your hometown, or a place near your home town that you knew very well?

Well you grew up 40 minutes away apparently, and no I wouldn’t “protect my hometown”.

I would correct somebody if they were factually wrong about it and if the error was (a) relevant, and (b) important.
Other than that, I don’t greatly care what they think or feel or say about my hometown.
Do you notice a trend in your behaviour in which you leap to the defence of all kinds of things?

I still hope that young man serves serious time and that his father pays for it politically. Because there is no doubt that it was politcally motivated.

Indeed you do, and it demonstrates yet again how you view this strictly in terms of party-political gamesmanship.
Would it have been more satisfactory to you had the intention been criminal or had been the work of a hostile foreign intelligence organisation instead?

I don't know who Tasha is..I'm assuming a blogger here. What is her age group, demographic etc. The Wasilla that I know is not a Meth capital. I meth there, yes. Just like it is there in every neighborhood in Denver and Colorado. The only reason that I am discussing this is because I made a comment that Wasilla is like "anywhere" USA, I know this first hand to be true (regardless of what Tasha say, whomever she is). Then I got into some type of mind boggling debate with karmagirl about how (she used the whole Matanuska Valley to describe Wasilla) she said that my neighborhood isn't full of meth-heads...then she said that she didn't say that...the conversation took on a life of it's own and I had no idea what the point was except to somehow link Sarah Palin with a bunch of meth-heads.

I am happy that no foreign intelligence service of any kind didn't hack into her email before this criminal who did first (and I will perhaps concede that that they may have). I hear, and heard, for the umpteenth time what you are saying.

That being said, this time, this hack, this guy who hacked was done for political purposes. I hope that he is feeling the heavy heat of the FBI and that he does serious time. I fail to see what is wrong with this desire of mine. He tried to play a dirty trick, Nixon style. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have had the emails published. That much even you can't deny.

[Rodentia]

I don't know who Tasha is..I'm assuming a blogger here

Try ctrl-f <tasha> on this page and bingo karmagirl = Tasha

...the conversation took on a life of it's own and I had no idea what the point was except to somehow link Sarah Palin with a bunch of meth-heads.

I think you are reading an attack on Palin into what she said.

She and others are simply objecting to you claiming that Wasilla is like where they live.
As you said, you don’t know them or where they live, so you really can’t be making such an unqualified statement.

That being said, this time, this hack, this guy who hacked was done for political purposes. I hope that he is feeling the heavy heat of the FBI and that he does serious time. I fail to see what is wrong with this desire of mine. He tried to play a dirty trick, Nixon style. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have had the emails published. That much even you can't deny.

You keep saying that you get it and have conceded the point but then show that you really don’t and haven’t.
Your single-minded focus on the party-political implications of who the hacker is, denies the claim that you understand that other organisations may have also hacked her, and that any government employee using a private and unsecured and unarchived email account is an alarming situation.

Let me try this another way.

Unauthorised hacking of a private email account is a crime, plain and simple, and it is the same crime whether it is of Mr.Joe Soap’s account or Ms.Jane Doe’s.
The use of a private unsecured and unarchived email account ranges from insignificant to a national crisis depending primarily on who is using the account and what is being transmitted across it.
Mr. Joe Soap the janitor sending mail on company time via Yahoo to his wife about buying onions for dinner is insignificant, and his employer might raise one eyebrow about one millimetre.
Ms.Jane Doe the research scientist sending product formulations to a coworker sitting next to her via her Yahoo account is an urgent and palpable risk, and her employer could severely reprimand or fire her for cause, and governance standards suggests they should immediately issue a memo on this practice and make sure nobody else is doing it.
Mr. Jim Beam the head of NSA, Ms. Betty Crocker the head of FBI or Mr. Pete Pumpernickel PotUS should absolutely, positively never be transmitting anything whatsoever across a private unsecured and unarchived email account unless it is scrutinized six ways to Sunday for security implications.

Hacking these accounts should be no more of a crime than Joe Soap’s
Hacking Jim, Betty, or Pete’s secured government email accounts would be a whole other kind of federal crime, and would get serious attention from an alphabet soup of agencies and attract some serious jail time.

I think you are (1) mixing these two up, (2) being overly defensive about Sarah Palin, (3) treating this purely as a party-political issue, (4) paying lip-service to the national-security issue

[pftp]

I don't know who Tasha is..I'm assuming a blogger here

Try ctrl-f <tasha> on this page and bingo karmagirl = Tasha

...the conversation took on a life of it's own and I had no idea what the point was except to somehow link Sarah Palin with a bunch of meth-heads.

I think you are reading an attack on Palin into what she said.

She and others are simply objecting to you claiming that Wasilla is like where they live.
As you said, you don’t know them or where they live, so you really can’t be making such an unqualified statement.

That being said, this time, this hack, this guy who hacked was done for political purposes. I hope that he is feeling the heavy heat of the FBI and that he does serious time. I fail to see what is wrong with this desire of mine. He tried to play a dirty trick, Nixon style. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have had the emails published. That much even you can't deny.

You keep saying that you get it and have conceded the point but then show that you really don’t and haven’t.
Your single-minded focus on the party-political implications of who the hacker is, denies the claim that you understand that other organisations may have also hacked her, and that any government employee using a private and unsecured and unarchived email account is an alarming situation.

Let me try this another way.

Unauthorised hacking of a private email account is a crime, plain and simple, and it is the same crime whether it is of Mr.Joe Soap’s account or Ms.Jane Doe’s.
The use of a private unsecured and unarchived email account ranges from insignificant to a national crisis depending primarily on who is using the account and what is being transmitted across it.
Mr. Joe Soap the janitor sending mail on company time via Yahoo to his wife about buying onions for dinner is insignificant, and his employer might raise one eyebrow about one millimetre.
Ms.Jane Doe the research scientist sending product formulations to a coworker sitting next to her via her Yahoo account is an urgent and palpable risk, and her employer could severely reprimand or fire her for cause, and governance standards suggests they should immediately issue a memo on this practice and make sure nobody else is doing it.
Mr. Jim Beam the head of NSA, Ms. Betty Crocker the head of FBI or Mr. Pete Pumpernickel PotUS should absolutely, positively never be transmitting anything whatsoever across a private unsecured and unarchived email account unless it is scrutinized six ways to Sunday for security implications.

Hacking these accounts should be no more of a crime than Joe Soap’s
Hacking Jim, Betty, or Pete’s secured government email accounts would be a whole other kind of federal crime, and would get serious attention from an alphabet soup of agencies and attract some serious jail time.

I think you are (1) mixing these two up, (2) being overly defensive about Sarah Palin, (3) treating this purely as a party-political issue, (4) paying lip-service to the national-security issue

I hear what you are saying. I am not saying that hacking into Sarah Pain's email account carries with it any more offense than hacking Joe Blow's. I am not paying lip service to the national securtiy issue. I am alluding to a RICO type of racket in the Obama campaign in that there is a co-ordinated effort to attack, harass, arrest (larry sinclair), send out viruses, clog phone banks and shutting down websites that are a threat to the candidacy of Barack Obama. I know that multiple complaints have been made to the FBI in this respect.

You and I are talking about 2 very different things and I have conceded your side.

[karmagirl]

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

Boy, talk about pompous and self-deluded backslapping, can you get any more self-congratulatory?

So wonder-boy of growth, knowledge, and respect that you are, you go and accuse someone of being small-minded because they turned one of your platitudes inside-out and showed it for the empty piece of servile nonsense that it is.

You asserted how Wasilla is just the same as where we all live, Tasha pulled that claim's ears down and elegantly showed why it was nothing like where most of us live.

It was a simplistic and rather stupid claim, and added nothing to the discussion, and defending it is even less useful and more stupid.
Find something to argue that is actually relevant and try a bit harder to say something interesting.

I'm so glad there are those of us that understand. You wouldn't believe the amount of PM's I've gotten about this, too, from people not understanding how pftp can continue to argue about something he's making up in his own mind. And not-so-amazingly, these people are also admitting that they, like me, do not live in a place "just like Wasilla". See, pftp, THAT is the only point. You SHOULD NOT make assumptions about all of us. And when you're assumptions are proven wrong, you really shouldn't continue to try to defend them. There really is no point. Wrong is wrong. And just to clarify once more (because you still don't get it) I AM NOT LINKING PALIN TO METH. Not in the least. I've said explicitly before that she has NOTHING to do with that. I do hope that you can finally understand. Yikes. Who would have thought it would take so much to get such an easy point across.

[pftp]

I thrive on the give and take with individuals who have a different opinion than myself. I find that it helps me to grow in my own opinions, knowledge and I enjoy learning about where other people are coming from. That being said, with all due respect, I find you to be not only small minded but also not very well informed. I am sorry that I said that and you can have the last word, but I will no longer debate with you on this blog. It is pointless.

Boy, talk about pompous and self-deluded backslapping, can you get any more self-congratulatory?

So wonder-boy of growth, knowledge, and respect that you are, you go and accuse someone of being small-minded because they turned one of your platitudes inside-out and showed it for the empty piece of servile nonsense that it is.

You asserted how Wasilla is just the same as where we all live, Tasha pulled that claim's ears down and elegantly showed why it was nothing like where most of us live.

It was a simplistic and rather stupid claim, and added nothing to the discussion, and defending it is even less useful and more stupid.
Find something to argue that is actually relevant and try a bit harder to say something interesting.

I'm so glad there are those of us that understand. You wouldn't believe the amount of PM's I've gotten about this, too, from people not understanding how pftp can continue to argue about something he's making up in his own mind. And not-so-amazingly, these people are also admitting that they, like me, do not live in a place "just like Wasilla". See, pftp, THAT is the only point. You SHOULD NOT make assumptions about all of us. And when you're assumptions are proven wrong, you really shouldn't continue to try to defend them. There really is no point. Wrong is wrong. And just to clarify once more (because you still don't get it) I AM NOT LINKING PALIN TO METH. Not in the least. I've said explicitly before that she has NOTHING to do with that. I do hope that you can finally understand. Yikes. Who would have thought it would take so much to get such an easy point across.

So what is your point talking about Meth and those statistics that you brough up about the Matinuska VAlley which Wasilla is only a small part of?

In addition, I'm not making assumptions about anybody. I can't believe that we are even talking about this. All I said is that Wasilla is a town very much like any mid-western town (anywhere U.S.A.) and I get this circle jerk argument with you. Fine, Wasilla is nothing like any mid-western town. You are right, I am wrong. You live in the ghetto and Wasilla is not like your ghetto, or Cherry Hills and Wasilla is not like Cherry Hills. But of all the people actually posting about this subject, I'm the only one who has ever actually BEEN to Wasilla.

When I said that Wasilla is like any town that you or I live in I was speaking METAPHORICALLY! I know, a concept that is difficult for you to comprehend.

[Rodentia]

Pftp

When I said that Wasilla is like any town that you or I live in I was speaking METAPHORICALLY! I know, a concept that is difficult for you to comprehend

Metaphors only work to the degree that they represent factual associations.

What factual associations were you trying to limn?
That Wasilla has people, just like other places?
That there are bathrooms and trees?
That a person living in Wasilla would be familiar with the ebb and flow of life in Colorado Springs and Boulder?
That they have the same concerns?
The same annual income?
The same religious views?
What?

[pftp]

Pftp

When I said that Wasilla is like any town that you or I live in I was speaking METAPHORICALLY! I know, a concept that is difficult for you to comprehend

Metaphors only work to the degree that they represent factual associations.

What factual associations were you trying to limn?
That Wasilla has people, just like other places?
That there are bathrooms and trees?
That a person living in Wasilla would be familiar with the ebb and flow of life in Colorado Springs and Boulder?
That they have the same concerns?
The same annual income?
The same religious views?
What?

Your questions represent exactly what I was saying and the answer is "yes" to all of them, in that there are people of different faiths, income, can I pay my bills, raise my kids right, and yes (Rodentia) there are bathrooms and trees.. What people have tried to do is pigeon hole Wasilla into being a cross section of meth-head, white trash, religious radicals?. I made an innocent statement that Wasilla is just like "any where" USA and got all this garbage that "well..it's not like where I live" stuff. "where I live isn't a neighborhood of meth-heads" and then an argument that when that person said that they weren't saying that Wasilla is a "neighborhood of meth-heads" even though it was in black and white 4 blogs above and they weren't talking about Wasilla. That person was just saying it to just say it INSANITY!

Now I am just saying "fine'". It isn't like your ghetto or high class neighborhood. But if you come from a "normal" middle class bedroom suburb community then it is like "any where" USA, just like many mid-western towns.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. I was just articulating what I knew to be true about the town of Wasilla. I am now backing down to you guys and will let you formulate whatever opinions that you want to about this town, sight unseen.